What does a Marine Second Lieutenant do?
I was an Army second lieutenant, but many marines were in my Field Artillery Officer Basic Course. Marine officers all have to go through a 6 month long infantry course. After that, they are in a unit in a job that doesn't require the officer to be branch qualified yet. He is an errand boy with a little power during that waiting period. Before my OBC, I was a range officer, a records officer, and oversaw paperwork accountability. The OBC is also going to be several months long. By the time you graduate, the only thing left is that one final requirement to First Lieutenant. That last step is to complete 2 years time in grade as a Second Lieutenant. Basically, the main difference between 2nd and 1st is the O1 will spend a large part of his time in schools such as OBC, Jump School, Ranger, etc.
What does a Second Lieutenant do in the U.S. Marine Corps?
This is in more ways a "defense" to the NOT wrong answers that have been provided, rather than a direct answer to the question.Having been a second lieutenant, and also having trained and hopefully mentored a few them, what butterbars do and what they should do are two different things. What they tend to do (or at what they tend to do most notably) is be overconfident and over-eager, f*ck simple stuff up, or fail to just trust good advice.I was lucky enough to be put outside my MOS for essentially the first two years of my time in the fleet, and was (voluntarily) forced to listen to my NCOs/SNCOs and even my junior Marines in order to learn my job and how best to support them. Thank God. The visible proficiency and vocal mentorship I received from my enlisted subordinates quickly showed me how much good NCOs can be trusted, and that has followed me through my time as an officer (rarely disappointed).What a 2nd Lieutenant SHOULD do is learn which of his subordinates can and cannot be trusted, and to listen to those who can, and to try to better those who can't.*Shout out to the NCOs and Staff NCOs who are happily willing to say, "Sir, can we talk a second? [walk over behind the truck]: that idea is fucking stupid. I recommend we do..." And here's to trusting they're right, and hoping they have a lieutenant humble enough to listen.
How long does it take to become a lieutenant in the marines after boot camp?
You don't become a lieutenant, Bob. As an enlisted man, the highest rank you can achieve (normally) is that of Sergeant/major, or Master Gunnery Segeant. To become a 2nd lieutenant, you need to graduate from Annapolis, or go through OCS. To qualify for OCS, you need to have a bachelor's degree.
Second Lieutenant on The Front line?
The first person killed by enemy fire in the Iraq war was a Marine 2nd LT..So im gonna say yes to your answer.. And let me clue you in on something..I dont know what a desk jockey is but in the USMC we have Marines..Do you know what I mean? You must learn this concept if you ever wish to be a USMC officer. Your supposed to lead by example and your examole here sucks..Makes me wonder why you wish to be a USMC officer.
Can a Second Lieutenant in the Marine Corps be a Scout Sniper or a Recon Marine?
You don`t "join" the Naval Academy, you apply, and hope to be accepted. Scout Sniper is an enlisted position. 2nd LT`s can LEAD Snipes, but aren`t actually them. Recon, I`m sure they can try out for it. Yes, infantry and Recon 2nd LT`s have a chance of seeing combat. Comes with paperwork, but everyone does that at some point. But somebody has to go lead the enlisted and fight.
2nd lieutenant treated bad?
im about to graduate college and have always kicked around the idea of joining the military and becoming an officer (USMC or Army). the only thing is, i have heard 2nd lieutenants are generally not respected very much by the men they are assigned to command. is this true?
Why are Second Lieutenants and Ensigns so despised in the U.S. military?
The civilian equivalent would be a new supervisor/manager who was hired by your firm simply because he/she has a degree and nothing else.These individuals:Have more power than all but the most seniors among the enlisted people.Are at the beginning of their careers working with many who are in the middle or at the end.No idea and little concern about the "office politics" of the command where they are posted.Little understanding of the organization they have just joined.Have the exceptional sense of their own intelligence that comes with callow youth.Often have a undeserved sense of entitlementHave lots of "new ideas" to bring to a system which both despises and fears changeAren't aware of their limitations (yet)Aren't respected by their superiors who themselves have forgotten that they were once in the same position.Are often given the "problem" areas in which to cut their teeth.Basically, most 2nd Looies are up a certain creek and are lacking the needed paddle to traverse it successfully. Few people find that to be a pleasurable position in which to find themselves and most respond accordingly.Throw in the fact that if there's a war going you could be killed (or send others to their death) and the fact that you can't simply quit the job when/if you grow tired of it and you can see why most have the attitudes that they do. Additionally, most enlisted people key in on those attitudes, and they respond poorly in return.The job is a crap sandwich, and you ( the butterbar) have to finish yours if you want to go outside and play.
Can a 2nd LT out of Marine Option NROTC one day become a Recon Marine?
Yes. After commissioning as a 2LT you will go to The Basic School (TBS) where you’ll learn the basics of commanding a rifle platoon. Towards the end of TBS you’ll be assigned an Military Occupational Specialty (MOS).To be able to eventually apply for Recon you will need to be assigned to follow-on training to qualify you in one of three Primary MOSs: 0202 – Marine Air/Ground Task Force (MAGTF) Intelligence Officer, 0203 – Ground Intelligence Officer, or 0302 – Infantry Officer.All of the studs in your class will striving for 0302 – Infantry Officer. More TBS graduates request it than there are openings. I don’t have any insight into how competitive the two Intel PMOSs above are or what the MOS mix is in the Recon officer community . . . but as a betting man with zero inside info, my guess is it’s very infantry heavy.So . . . after you complete the Infantry Officer Course you’ll go to the Fleet, likely commanding a Rifle Platoon.“Normally an officer will do three years in an infantry battalion (as a rifle or sniper platoon commander depending on his MOS) and then request orders to a recon battalion. There have been cases where Marines will graduate ground intel school and get an opportunity to try out for recon. This is really rare though. The monitor will generally have you screen at a recon battalion and send you to BRC. Officers currently have a 70-80% attrition rate at BRC so you won't know what battalion you will go to until you graduate.” Force Recon OfficerThe Basic Reconnaissance Course (BRC) attrition rate appears to have driven the creation of a Basic Reconnaissance Primer Course (BRPC). You will also have to take the Reconnaissance Team Leaders Course (RTLC). Recon Training Company. . . and this gets you into a Reconnaissance Battalion, not Force Recon.The best advice is from the Force Recon Officer quoted above: “Focus on your close target and pass PLC [NROTC, in your case}. Things could change ten different ways by the time you are in a position to take the indoc to attend BRC. Just try to be the best officer candidate in your class and take things one step at a time. Every day is a selection and every task is a test. Earn your place here everyday.”
Does a 2nd lieutenant have more power than a Sergeant Major of The Marine Corps?
Does a 2nd lieutenant have more power than a Sergeant Major of The Marine Corps?More “power”? Interesting.Well, most 2ndLt’s will be in charge of a small unit, such as a platoon or section. Thus, he’ll be responsible for writing performance evaluations for those subordinate to him - in addition to training them, ensuring their welfare, good order & discipline, etc. These performance evaluations are absolutely critical to the careers of his subordinates. This is a LOT of power from the perspective of those subordinates. Some 2ndLt’s will have as many as 80 subordinates - thinking of some weapon’s platoons or 81mm mortar platoons, in which he is responsible for all of their performance evaluations, known in the Marines as Proficiency and Conduct (Pro/Con) marks for the most junior Marines and fitness reports (FitReps) for sergeants and above. (Caveat: While technically the company commander, probably a captain, officially assigns Pro/Con marks, it is the platoon commander who submits his recommended marks to the company commander.)Does the SgtMaj of the MC write any performance evaluations? Probably not, but possibly on his personal secretary, assistants, etc. While he is the most senior enlisted Marine in the Corps, technically very few Marines actually work for him. Thus, he “controls” fewer Marines than the 2ndLt platoon commander. He works very closely with other very senior SgtsMaj and the most senior generals in the USMC (all the 4 star generals and probably several of the 3 star generals). He will very seldom interact with or even see a 2ndLt. His ideas, initiatives, recommendations, suggestions, etc could become Marine Corps policy, which could be interpreted to equate to a lot of “power”. He is expected to deliver various speeches as he travels around the Corps and during testimony to Congress. Thus, this could be perceived as a considerable amount of “power” or “influence”.Thus, which one wields more power somewhat depends upon where you sit and for whom you work.