Why Are Marine Corps Recruiter's Called Liars And Other Things Like That?
I have been noticing that a lot of people are not interested in serving in the Marines anymore because of the recruiters. Now I live in Philadelphia and the crazy thing is is that I contacted a recruiter back when I graduated in 06 then I got a job and they kept bothering me. After I ditched them for 2 years they stopped now I am back in their office signing papers now. They remember trying to get me but to be honest none of them have lied to me. Honestly I don't know why people say they do things just to sign you up. They keep asking me everyday if I am sure and they are helping me in the DEP. My recruiters are the best and I know they are hear to help me get prepares to become a Marine. So any crazy experiences that you have with the recruiters?
What to watch out for with Marine recruiter?
A recruiter will never flat out lie to you. However, keep in mind what their job is, their job is to recruit a certain amount of people within a certain amount of time. So, what recruiters will often do, is leave out all the bad stuff. Or be extremely general about the question your asking, especially if they want you. (This was more so my experience when I talked to the Army when I was 17, I didn't experience it with the Marines) But do keep in mind, they want real Marines, they don't want the wrong people getting through. So, what you do is research something you're interested in, know everything you can about it from the internet, and then when you start talking to a recruiter, make sure you're asking him questions. Know even the bad things you found on the internet about being an MP, so when all you hear is good things, you can pose a question about the bad thing you heard, and his attitude will most definitely change, "Oh oh yeah, you can't really ever get around that, just how it is.". Recruiters are very smart, they aren't dumb, trust me. But don't worry, they will never flat out lie to you. BUT, just in case, ALWAYS REMEMBER, DO NOT SIGN A GENERAL CONTRACT. If you do, this is pretty much saying the Marines can put you wherever they need you, they could really care less what you want because it isn't on paper. So make sure you are signing paper and seeing proof when he is telling you you are getting an MOS. EDIT: I back J D, Lilah is a troll.
My Marine recruiter told me to lie.?
I do not think you should worry about the recruiter....You should worry about yourself.....When this gaff" is discovered.....It will only be your word that you told the recruiter "everything".....they will consider you the one who "lied"..... It is ALWAYS best to tell the complete truth.....they can and often will excuse almost anything EXCEPT lying..... I assume there are records of your childhood condition.....people who know of this condition........ When they do a background check.....it will probably be discovered.... My advice is to forget about the recruiter.....Write a letter to the MEPS commander.... start by saying how much you want to serve.....how much you want to be a sniper and in Force Recon.....but that you are worried about some possibly bad advice given to you by the recruiter.....something that could eventually cause you to lose your dream.....maybe even be thrown out of the service. Then tell him what was done. Better to not qualify and be released.....than be dishonorably released for falsifying you enlistment documents.
Do marine corps recruiters get paid to enlist people?
All recruiters regardless of the branch they are in get paid. However, their pay is based on their rank, not how many people they put in. They'll get paid the same if they put in ten people as if they put in one person or nobody at all. The only way you could say a recruiter is getting more money for putting more people in is that they'll probably get better evaluations for being very successful and their evaluations are looked at when considering them for promotion; meaning they may get promoted faster. A lot of people automatically assume recruiters get paid extra per person they put in because some people like to compare recruiters to shady car salesmen. Then, they take it a step further and reason that since car salesmen get a bonus for each car they sell recruiters must get a bonus for each person they recruit. It's possible that they don't even think your recruiter is getting extra money for you and they're just saying that as an excuse to keep you from enlisting. You would be surprised with some of the lies people will say to stop somebody from enlisting; I've heard parents tell kids that if they join the military they will make less than McDonald's cooks, they'll be screamed at by drill instructors the entire time they're in the military, they'll be pumped with experimental drugs, and more. All out of fear of "losing their baby."
Recruiter telling me to lie at meps?
Simply tell the truth. A 10-degree scoliosis is not something that requires a waiver. When you apply to enlist you grant the military complete and unrestricted access to all legal, educational, and medical records. If you lie and "act surprised" at MEPS then they are certain to review your medical history - which they certainly can - and when they find out you were lying about being previously diagnosed you become permanently DQ from ever enlisting in any branch for lying. At some point your educational background will be reviewed and no matter when that takes place when it turns out you lied about taking online courses or you "omitted" or "forgot" them that lie will also result in a permanent DQ or adverse Discharge if you are actually enlisted by then. If you get caught lying at MEPS there is no fine or jail time because you are not yet officially a military member. That said, if you are caught in either or your intended lies AFTER you actually enlist then that is a Federal felony, Fraudulent Enlistment. The worst-case scenario for that crime is a Court Martial, two years in Federal prison, and a Dishonorable Discharge. Most, times, however, they just boot you out with a General Discharge, and a reenlistment code that translates to being permanently DQ. NOTHING positive comes from lying when trying to enlist. Tell the truth and tell your Recruiter that you heard that service members do not "lie, cheat, or steal...nor do they tolerate among them those who do" and that you do not want to risk your opportunity to enlist. I would not want to serve with anyone who asked/told you to lie or anyone here who advises you to lie. As an officer, I told my subordinates that as long as they were straight with me I would do anything necessary to protect them, including going to Court Martial myself...but if they ever lied to me I would dig them a hole so deep they could never crawl out. When I was fighting the VA for Disability several of my enlisted crewmates from the 1970s wrote "Buddy Statements" and found documents I did not know existed to help me. When I asked them why they were so willing to help they all responded, "Because you were an officer we could respect and a friend we could trust." Do you suppose I received such loyalty and trust by lying? We called it being "straight arrow." Do it.
Should I lie to my Marine recruiter about smoking weed?
Should you lie? No. But Honor,Courage, Commitment, and JJ DID TIE BUCKLE and what-have-we-not, well, let's just say if I were to go walk down my street which is all E-4-E-7 (on base housing,) nearly every one of them would unofficially say they'd done it, but of those that admit to it, only a tiny fraction will have told it to their recruiter. So does that mean I have bad neighbors? I don't think so. I think it's a matter of personal discretion you'll need to figure out for yourself. I know a guy that felt convicted after originally lying about his drug use, so he got waiver. Later on when he was applying for a certain program within the Corps, as soon as they saw that he was a "waiver" they passed him up and never even bothered to see all that he's accomplished and how he is as locked on and motivated as can be. Bascially, he told me that he regrets being honest about this, since it's almost like he's gotten punished for it. Anyhow, one time won't hurt your chances of getting in if you tell them that; it's a really simple waiver from what I understand.
Drug use and the marine corps?
Lying about it is much worse than the alternatives. The recruiter will chalk it up as experimentation and you'll still get to become a Devil Dog AND keep your integrity. Lying about it constitutes a fraudulent enlistment, a felony if caught and convicted. At best, you'll just have to live with the fact that you lied simply because you were ashamed of something you did as a juvenile and you will forever be barred from cool career opportunities after the Corps, or even IN the Corps (think lie detector tests). You CAN still get a security clearance even if you have used marijuana in the past (three years, I believe), but not if you have ever lied about it. The bottom line is, they ask because they have to complete a drug waiver for you if you HAVE smoked. Harder drugs like cocaine or PCP DO preclude you from joining, but not marijuana. Lying about it, though, will preclude you from joining and IS a felony, like I mentioned above.
My recruiter promised me linguist MOS, will I get it?
Hi, I worked as a linguist for many years and know how recruiters can lie. Get it in writing! Even if they say it's not guaranteed they're lying. If you say you'll walk, they'll put your MOS in writing. Make sure you get them to guarantee the actual MOS you want (98G (army), 267x (usmc), 208 (air force)... There's not one opening for that position (another lie). They have hundreds of slots for cryptolinguists! But they use that trick to get you to sign without a guarantee. If the recruiter still won't budge tell him your own lie (tell him you're talking to the recruiter next door (army, navy, af) and that they can guarantee the MOS, DLI, Goodfellow, and choice of first duty station). By the way, congrats on the scores... Your DLAB is actually very very good. You're ASVAB is pretty decent too! If it's in the contract (specifically) then you are guaranteed! Just make sure it is spelled out specifically: MOS, DLI, etc. Also, ask specifically the language. They will tell you that's not possible but you can add that as well but you have to stand up for it... You have alot of bargaining power now cause things are tight all over... not sure why my answer gets so much negative comments. I actually worked as a DLI-trained linguist and spent 8 years in the field so know what i'm talking about. I also know military recruitment details and strategy. sure, you might not get the language you want but it never hurts to at least mention the language group you're interested in. they will note this on your paperwork and it does help. Try to minimize the lottery aspect of all this and get as much into the contract as possible. sure, it might not work out but it's worth a try. overall, recruiters are a bunch of lying sob's - they will sell their own soul to make their numbers. As long as you know this though everything is cool. If you have to, ask to talk to the OIC and review everything the recruiter told you. In fact, if you request to talk to the OIC watch the color drain from the recruiters face! If they play you, you just play them right back.
What kind of lies do U.S Army recruiters say?
The answer varies from recruiter to recruiter. Some don’t lie at all…they don’t need to. If you live in an area where getting out of there to make a living is the best option, and the populous is semi-patriotic, the truth will fill your quota. On the other hand, if there are plenty of options and the army isn’t the first round draft choice, a recruiter might lie about one of the following:This job (the only one you qualify for) is a super easy job. You’re practically getting paid to do nothing, when in fact you’re going to work a lot of long days and weekends (cooks, MPs, certain specialty repair MOS’s).You can’t get the job you want. The army is not looking for any __________ (highly desirable MOS that you really want) right now. The best thing to do is sign up for this other thing that I can get you, and then you can easily change to the one you want later.Oh, sure, you can easily get stationed at an obscure or very small, specialized base like Fort Belvoir as a mechanic or commo guy. (It can happen, but so can winning the lottery).You’ll probably never even set foot in Korea (assuming you don’t want to). Or vice versa.After basic training, the army is just a regular 9–5 job. (Note- this is true in a few instances, but not for most people).Basically, anything they tell you that you isn’t in your contract should be treated as a lie. You can’t hold them accountable for anything that is said, only what’s written. In their defense, some of them have a very tough job that may involve convincing people who don’t know that the army is their best option, that it is.No one should enter into an army contract blind. I’d rather work with 30 soldiers who knew they weren’t getting exactly what they wanted, but signed on the dotted line anyway, than a few who thought they were winning the lottery and got shafted.