Been Diagnosed As A Sociopath With Borderline

Can someone be both a sociopath and borderline?

no waythey’re almost the inverse of each other…i mean i guess.. they are cluster b.. they’re like the overt and the covert narcissist, though. Total opposites but expressing the same problem.. so no. They can’t be both because both issues are the same core issue with a different expression of it.

Can a borderline be a sociopath? Is there a chart of some kind where all cluster b traits are in one place? My head is spinning figuring this out.

In psychiatry, when somebody has two disorders at one time we don’t say that “a narcissist is an antisocial” or a “bipolar is an ADD.”We say the person has “narcissistic personality disorder which is comorbid with antisocial personality disorder.“There is a tiny bit of comorbidity between borderline and antisocial personality disorders according to the Grant and Stinson 2008 epidemiological study.If you get the entire study, you can look at the comorbidity of all of the different cluster B disorders. Unfortunately, if you go to pub med you will only get an abstract of the article. But it may tell you where you can pay to go get the whole study. It will go through all the cluster B disorders and talk about all the various comorbidities.I had a pie chart with all of them, but I lost along the way. But basically, narcissistic and border line personality disorders have a comorbidity of about 35 to 40%, meaning people with BPD have NPD in people with NPD also have BPD.Antisocial personality disorder comes most commonly with narcissistic personality disorder. And then there is that tiny bit of overlap between antisocial and borderline.If you feel like the borderline person in your life has antisocial traits, I doubt you are really looking at antisocial traits. What you were looking at seems like lack of empathy. If it is true lack of empathy, it would most likely be comorbid with narcissistic personality disorder.However, if this person shows empathy at all, it is very likely that they are being so emotional that they simply cannot focus on your needs and your emotions at the moment. They can’t put themselves in your place and see how it would feel to be in your shoes and on the other end when they are emotional.

What does it mean to be borderline and sociopath?

I hardly believe you can be both sociopath and borderline. People with BPD experience intense emotions, and the disorder itself is defined by poor emotional regulation. Some very few borderlines can, however, to the outside seem somewhat sociopathic. Some are very manipulative, and have such strong walls of protection around them it can make them seem cold, extremely self-centered and malicious (not saying that all sociopaths are malicious but you get the point). Key word here being “seem”. Mostly there's just intolerable pain that has no appropriate or safe outlet. You either explode or implode, unless you are able to develop skills that help regulate those emotions.Most of the time though, people with BPD couldn't be mistaken for sociopaths. There would almost always be something that “gives away” the fact that there's a lot of emotional turmoil going on inside. I have heard about a few individuals who have been diagnosed with both BPD and ASPD. Now I honestly don't know what to think about that, other than perhaps the person has traits from both disorders and has been misdiagnosed. I can't see how one can meet the diagnostic criteria for both.

Can a 'quiet' borderline, also be a narcissist or sociopath?

Usually one diagnosis kind of dominates, but all cluster Bs have a lot in common. They originate in similar original trauma, appear at the same age… For instance Vaknin writes about that.Important thing is not to think of personality disorders as living in a sort of “Old South African style” apartheid, i.e. you get “all blacks” and “all whites”, distinct and separated. On contrary, its much more “Caribbean south American” - you get anything in between too, mulatos, and also traits of original inhabitants, and some asian contribution to the gene pool, too, and so on. It is a merry landscape full of variety and combinations. The “clean cut” diagnoses are the “grey” boxes professionals created to somehow sort the mess when thinking and writing about the topic. But the tree of life is green.A quiet borderline manifests outwardly greater capacity for impulse control, which, contrary to “acting_out” borderline that will advertise from afar something is not quite right, will allow for adoption of more narcissist and sociopath like behavior patterns. (it is hard to be cunning, plotting and deceitful if you regularly “lose it”). Of course, not all quiet borderlines do. Many will be of such a nature that they turn the toxicity on themselves, so they will be devoid of hallmark predatory action towards others, apart from confusing chaos in the relationships…I think, it would be hard to have the mental operation of NPD and BPD at the same time… the “inner emotional landscape” just seems different. One would be dominant. If you check the diagnostic criteria some dont go along as well. Diagnostic criteria of BPD and ASPD may coexist with greater ease.Narcissistic personality disorder Symptoms - Mayo ClinicFormal Diagnostic Criteria for BPDAntisocial personality disorder - Wikipedia

Can you have borderline personality disorder and be a sociopath?

No, these are completely separate diagnoses. Let’s look at them one at a time.Borderline Personality Disorder:People with Borderline Personality Disorder are motivated by an overwhelming desire to find love, get the nurturing that they missed in childhood, and avoid rejection and abandonment. They often report feeling like a child in an adult body who is unready to take on adult responsibilities. Their central issues revolve around questions such as: Am I lovable? Will you love and take care of me?If you are Borderline, you are likely to form emotionally intense intimate relationships very quickly, often with unsuitable people. You are may find it difficult to get the love and reparenting that you crave because:You are so eager for love that you are not really paying attention to the details that might tell you that the current object of your affection is unlikely to be able to give you what you want.You tend to cling to the one you “love” despite all evidence that this person will not or cannot meet your needs.If your fear of abandonment or rejection is stronger than your desire for love, you are likely to form ambivalent relationships in which you alternately cling and distance from the other person and may do things to sabotage the relationship.Sociopathic Personality Disorder:People with Sociopathic Personality Disorder are not seeking love and nurturing and rarely form intimate relationships. Instead, they have pretend relationships that are motivated by a desire to get things from other people that they did not earn. They repeatedly engage in antisocial behaviors—lying, stealing, hurting others for amusement or personal gain—and feel no remorse or shame.If you are Sociopathic, you know that you sometimes turn on the charm in order to get something you want, but underneath, you feel nothing for your chosen mark but contempt. In fact, you feel no real attachment or loyalty to anyone but yourself. You are unreliable, insincere, and often cruel.Perhaps the greatest difference between someone with a Borderline Personality Disorder and someone who is a Sociopath is that the Borderline can Love.Elinor Greenberg, PhD, CGPIn private practice in NYC and the author of the book: Borderline, Narcissistic, and Schizoid Adaptations: The Pursuit of Love, Admiration, and Safety.www.elinorgreenberg.com