In the Iliad, what happens in the argument between agamemnon and achilles? And what pages is it on?
Hello Achilles called the king shameless schemer, and accused him of always taking the lion's share, and using others to pile wealth and luxuries for himself. But Agamemnon, displaying his authority as commander in chief, answered by letting Achilles know that, in the same way that Apollo was robbing him of Chryseis , he was now going to pay a visit to Achilles' tent, and by taking away his sweetheart Briseis, teach him a lesson in power and kingship. Achilles considers attacking Agamemnon, but the goddess Athena tells him to calm down. If this is done, Agamemnon will suffer eventually and he will profit. Achilles agrees: "if a man obeys the gods they're quick to hear his prayers." Book 1, lines 5-6 In Book One, he seems to have no respect for King Agamemnon. Achilles questions his judgment as well as rebelling against his authority. This is shown best when Achilles says, "What a worthless, burnt-out coward I'd be called if I would submit to you and all your orders." (Pg. 87 line 43-45). http://www.bookrags.com/notes/il/PART2.htm
Was Agamemnon a hero in Homer's Iliad?
Agamemnon is not a hero. ~ He is a warlord, a priest, a king and a judge. ~He is disliked by the gods themselves (apollo, artemis and zeus). He is not chosen by the gods which is a main indicator within the illiad and the oddesey of the hero. ~He loses sympathy when he sacrifices his daughter. ~He falls back on his role and power of king which Homer makes irrelevant(demonstrating no need for a king/tyrant to rule over them). Good luck. I'm not sure if you will find my thoughts useful or not.
Who is Agamemnon in the Iliad?
Agamemnon is the commander-in-chief of the Achaean (Greek) armies at Troy and is also the brother of Menelaus, the husband Helen left to elope with Paris, the son of the King of Troy. As the Iliad begins, Agamemnon is pressured into returning the captive girl he has been living with, and as a result he replaces her by taking Achilles' captive woman, Briseis. Achilles then refuses to fight and prays to Zeus to let the Trojans gain the upper hand for the time being.. As things go against the Achaeans, Agamemnon sends emissaries to Achilles to make overtures of reconciliation, but Achilles refuses. However, soon afterward, Achilles agrees to let his best friend, Patroclus, wear his armor and fight in his place. Patroclus is killed by Hector, the Trojan leader, who takes Achilles' armor off him and puts it on. Achilles forgets his quarrel with Agamemnon and returns to battle as soon as he has new armor. He and Agamemnon are formally reconciled, and he chases down Hector and kills him. The Achaeans then hold funeral games in honor of Patroclus, and at the end Achilles, now foreseeing his own death, gives up Hector's body for burial. Agamemnon's role becomes less important as the Iliad unfolds. The first word of the Iliad is "wrath," and the story is about the wrath of Achilles, which is directed first at Agamemnon but then at Hector and ultimately at himself. Because he is angry with his own commander, he prays for his own side to lose so that they will see how much they need him, and the ultimate answer to his prayer is the death of his best friend. Although Homer never says so explicitly, Achilles must realize that he has brought about the death of Patroclus, and his determination to kill Hector and even deprive him of burial seems to be a way for him to avoid admitting to himself his own responsibility for Patroclus' death. By the time things reach this point, Agamemnon's role in the matter seems unimportant, and the spotlight is no longer on him.
The Iliad and the Mahabharata were independently composed, during the same time period 1000 BC- 0 BC, in two locations Greece and India separated by thousands of miles. Both of them would have started out as oral traditions among the Greek people and the Indic people. The Iliad was the first to be committed to writing while written manuscripts of the Mahabharata appear much later. Both these great works of literature may be said to share many common themes and elements. But it is difficult to say exactly how many of these similarities share a common origin rather than being a mere coincidence. After all, epic stories of gods and demons, good vs evil, immortality and magic feature prominently in all mythologies of the world.But in the case of the Greek and Indian epics, the connection runs deeper than that. Both of these cultures, Greek and Indo-Aryan were founded on the basis of an Indo-European language and tradition. They did get mixed with the local traditions of the regions in which they were created (Greece and Northern India respectively), but a lot of common Indo-European elements seem to have been retained. This is hardly surprising since the period of Greek and Indo-Iranian unity is estimated to have been as late as 2500 BC, a millennia before the appearance of the Sanskrit and Greek languages in their attested areas. It is hardly surprising therefore that lot of common elements from this period of unity would have made its way into India and Greece.For example, I find the whole history of the Trojan War immortalized in the Iliad to be remarkably similar to the story-line of the Ramayana rather than the Mahabharata. A crown prince, his beautiful wife who gets abducted by an enemy king and a war waged to get her back. Maybe I’m reading too much into it because such stories could probably be found from other regions of the world too. But many elements of mythology scattered across Greek and Hindu epics do show a lot of similarity and may have had a common origin in a long forgotten Indo-European heritage.The book Indo-European Poetry and Myth goes into much more detail on this shared connection
In the Iliad what were the differences between the Trojans and the Greeks?
other than location, the Trojans were fighting to defend their home and the Greeks wanted to ransack it and carry off its women and gold. Simplified version but that's the biggest difference right there. At first glance Homer seems to favor the Greeks but if you read it all the way through most people find that they are very sympathetic to the Trojans instead. The Greeks win in the end - though not in the Iliad - but I suspect Homer favors neither. Or both. He's telling a story and he goes out of his way to make characters on both sides of the conflict sympathetic. As a good storyteller he wants you to care about both sides so what happens to both of them matter to you. and - ready? - Odysseus modifies what Agamemnon offered to Achilles to win him back by leaving out the last couple of lines in which Agamemnon mentions he's a more powerful man than Achilles. Wisely,Odysseus leaves this out of the message. But the real problem with the offer is that Agamemnon isn't offering the gifts out of shame - which is what Achilles wants. If you pay attention to the gifts you'll see that they're all gifts a greater man would give a lesser man. Agamemnon seeks to draw Achilles into his service (and his household) as an inferior - a son in law who would be subjected to him, as a suplicant that relies on him for his wealth and power. Achilles won't accept the bribes on those terms because he doesn't see himself as less than Agamemnon and the gifts Agamemnon offers don't shame him in front of the Greeks. Achilles doesn't want to be bought off, he wants revenge for his bruised ego. did I just do your homework for you?
What is the relationship between Agamemnon and Achilles in the Iliad?
Overly pridefull. Agamemnon pulled rank on Achilles and took his top choice of loot (in this case a girl). Achilles spends the rest of the book sulking and letting his pride help his fellow Greeks who are being cut into tiny bits by the Trojans. Agamemnon makes things worse by not apologising to Achilles himself, instead he just sends flunkies over to his tent to try and chat with him.
As is the case with Achilles, Hector in the film was a more ‘modern’ and less archaically rigid version of his counterpart in the Iliad. Of course, overall, he’s a decent and patriotic character in both.In the epic, Hector doesn’t intervene to save Paris, let alone kill Menelaus; he’s sworn an oath along with Agamemnon to let the duel determine the result of the war and that’s exactly what he does. It’s Aphrodite who saves Paris, because he’s her protegee, and Hera and Athena who undermine the peace process, because they want to see Troy burn rather than simply surrender Helen.Hector is aware that he’s fighting Patroclus and in fact he’s the third person who strikes him after Apollo and Euphorbus. However, Patroclus is not an underage boy, but possibly even older than Achilles himself.Hector doesn’t defeat Ajax (their duel ends with a draw), is later heavily injured by Ajax (Apollo has to heal him) and flees before Patroclus because he takes him for Achilles (again it’s Apollo who informs him that the man wearing Achilles’ armor is Patroclus, and only then does Hector stand and fight). He flees again before Achilles rather than stand and fight during their last confrontation (Athena in the form of his brother Deiphobus persuades him to stay claiming she’ll help him defeat Achilles). That doesn’t make Hector a coward; those are usual epic tropes.Like Achilles, Hector doesn’t doubt gods’ intervention. It’s stereotypical in Hollywood to present all the ‘good’ characters as people who trust in reason and disagree with religious fanatics, who think gods will save them. Hector is very pious in the Iliad.Hector in the Iliad is not immune to arrogance and a warlike spirit. When he kills Patroclus, he plans to take his body as a trophy and, although he fails to do so, he manages to claim the armor and proud-fully puts it on as a proof he defeated his opponent—again, that’s not different from what other heroes do. Hector also angrily discards Patroclus, who with his last words predicted his opponent’s death at the hands of Achilles.
In the Iliad, what role does Nestor play in the argument between Achilles and Agamemnon?
After the chieftains have had their fill of food and drink, Nestor advises Agamemnon to make peace with Achilles so that he will rejoin the fighting. Agamemnon agrees that it was madness that made him insult their greatest warrior, and prepares an offer for Achilles. He will give the great warrior fabulous riches, including one of Agamemnon's own daughters as wife and seven of Agamemnon's citadels, if only he will return and "yield place to me, inasmuch as I am the kinglier" (9. 160). Nestor proposes sending Phoenix, Great Ajax, and Odysseus, as well as the heralds Odius and Eurybates.
Because the House of Atreus is a poisonous tumbleweed of a family.Agamemnon and Aegisthus are first cousins; their fathers, Atreus and Thyestes, fought over the throne of the city of Mycenae. Beyond mere matters of politics, Thyestes was also sleeping with Atreus’ wife, Aerope, so Atreus had a fair number of reasons to be unhappy with his younger brother.In the family tradition of really stupid and vicious acts, though, Atreus’ revenge on his brother was massively disproportionate. He killed Thyestes’ sons, cooked them in a stew (also a family tradition, by the by). and served it to his brother. Then he exiled his brother for cannibalism, just for kicks.Thyestes heard from an oracle that he could have his revenge if he fathered a son upon his only daughter- and the result was little Aegisthus, a boy born to enact his father’s grudge upon the sons of Atreus.