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Why do liberals oppose conservatives but support Muslims who tend to be conservative?

First, not all liberals do anything. But fundamentally liberalism is about fairness. You’ve probably heard of the ACLU. That group of liberal First Amendment people who will defend the Klan’s right to march. This is because if you defend things only when people you like do them you don’t actually defend the thing. Your only principle is defending people you like.What liberals defend Muslims in doing is things that liberals will defend other liberals doing - or defend conservatives doing. If you can set up a liberal church somewhere then all else being equal you can set up a conservative church there or a mosque. If it’s fair for one then it’s fair for all.However what we see Conservatives doing is things that aren’t fair. Conservatives generally value in-group loyalty and purity much more than liberals. And in-group loyalty is inherently unfair. We don’t care much what your kinks are as long as you keep them to yourselves. Muslims in America generally want space for themselves which liberals consider fair even when the Muslims themselves are conservative. Conservatives on the other hand want to dictate how other people live in ways that liberals consider unfair.

What's it like living in a liberal state? How are the social attitudes in a liberal state?

I lived in Vermont for 22 years before moving to the Florida Panhandle (Pensacola).I guess I never really appreciated the generally liberal attitude Vermont has until I moved here.My first week at my job, a guy came up behind me while I was with a black co-worker and said “hey, can you help me? i don’t want to talk to any black people.” It ended up being that he was joking and knew my coworker, but that wasn’t the kind of joke I ever grew up hearing. It wasn’t funny to me, at all.Racism is deeply ingrained here. It’s an unmentioned and unquestioned part of life, that many minorities either don’t bother to confront in public or just simply don’t notice.When Dylann Roof shot nine people in Charleston and sparked a debate about what the Confederate flag represents, Pensacola residents went to the Pensacola Graffiti Bridge to paint the flag and attempt to educate their fellow citizens on what they believed it meant. I learned that night that, as one person put it to me, “that flag means n*****s sit at the back of the bus.” I still want to believe I was being trolled, but sadly I cannot. That was never something I had ever imagined happening, much less hearing, growing up in Vermont.I remember growing up in a state that legalized gay marriage early, I remember race not being much of an issue to anybody, at least as a white person. I never heard anybody spitting racist garbage about a minority group growing up in a liberal state. In the panhandle it seems like it’s hard to go a week with such a thing.I was asked once if I believed in guns, because I’d need them when the refugees came here to wage jihad. That was just last winter.But as I learn more about racial disparities and racial boundaries, I learn my own liberal state dislikes the Sudanese refugees we house and employ. I have seen comments on local cititzen swear in ceremonies in VT that complain about the lack of legitimate immigrants, something these very people were finishing up the process of.I think in liberal states, Vermont at least, racism is less overt. I cannot recall a single homophobic experience in Vermont. Racism ails the entire country, everywhere you go, however. Seeing it in it’s unchallenged state has only enabled me to more accurately identify the hidden kind I thought didn’t exist in a liberal place.

What American cities are so liberal they're annoying?

I'm a centrist, but I can't stand living anywhere liberal. It's not what you think, the people are really annoying, arrogant, unfriendly and offended by everything.

I lived in Ann Arbor, which I thought would be nice, but it was bad. I imagine Seattle, Portland, Austin, San Francisco and Berkeley are horrible, where else is annoying? I think Boulder has to be added too, you know, Ward Churchill and all?

Who lives in Illinois? Do you like Illinois or dislike it and why?

I live in Illinois, and don't like it.Reasons:•Gun policies that are some of the strictest with some of the worst areas of gun violence•A completely unsustainable government budget with literally no way to fix it without either bankruptcy or not paying pensions (increasing taxes won't work because…)…•Taxes are ridiculous. State income tax is one of the highest in the nation, and property taxes are outrageous. My parents have a large house on a lake in Indiana for just barely more property tax than my 1000 sq ft condo in an unincorporated area outside of Chicago. If Illinois raises taxes any higher like they just did this year (another 1.5% or something, can't remember exactly), companies will leave the state faster than they already are. No business, no tax income.•The most common next profession of an Illinois governor the past 15 years? An inmate.•Cold winters. I'm planning to move somewhere warmer when I get the chance.These are the biggest, but not all. Things that are okay in Illinois are:•Relatively socially liberal for a state in the corn belt.•Proximity to Chicago… a great city… but taxes are extreme and gun violence is ridiculous so it's got its ups and downs.I think that's basically all I can think of. Dont recommend unless you get a very high paying job - blowing your money on fun is much more exciting than seeing it all go to a corrupt state government that will never give it back to you anyway.

Why do Democrats from the North move South to escape higher taxes...and then vote for them?

no its called stupidity

Would Illinois be a red state if Chicago didn't exist?

Yes almost certainly. More rural areas tend towards the republican party, cities towards democrats. The suburbs are often the key tossup, Chicago suburbs will largely determine the state. Look at the politico map, trump won most of the state's counties and took almost 40% of the vote.So if there was no chicago, say the smaller city of Ft Dearborn or Calumet in its place with 10% of the population. Inner city still goes dem, suburbs go mixed. But a smaller city in its place would have politics more resembling other smaller rust belt cities like Cleveland detroit or Milwaukee. Hard democratic supporters in the city but less affluent suburbs and lacking the financial upper class influence. Might look more like Ohio or Wisconsin.But due to Chicago's location was primed to exist as a rail and transport hub, manufacturing center and financial center specializing in commodity trade. Maybe the fire wipes it out or something unlikely and Milwaukee, toledo, or Gary takes its place (stranger things have happened, see Galvestons economic activity moving to Houston). Then you get this scenario.But anyway. Take huge city out of a state and it will likely go republican. This is even the case in NY was that way, remove NYC and you have a republican majority state, legislature is already that way. More moderate than most parts of the country but I've seen stars and bars 30 minutes south of Canada there.

Eugene Debs, was he a socialist or liberal or both!!!! Help!!!!?

Debs was a socialist. He was also, by the standards of the time, considered a radical. The liberal/conservative definitions we use today don't really apply. At the time, "liberal" was still used in the sense of classicalliberal thought--i.e. the Enlightenment philosophs, the Founding Fathers in the US, and the 19th century reformers and political groups that carried their ideas forward.

By that definition, Its hard to consider Deps a "liberal--" socialism wansn't particuarly associated with classical liberalism, although it had strong roots in that tradition. Today, most liberals would be reluctant to consider Debs a liberal--his extrem socialist views are way to the left of what mainstream liberalism is.

Keep in mind that the equation of anything "liberal," "leftist," "communist," and "socialist" is simply innaccurate--the right wing in the US (and elsewhere) does simply lump these all togeter as if they were synonymous. But in fact they are not--and never were.

Modern liberalism is also not the same as the classical version. The cheif difference is that modern liberalism sees a greater role for social programs and government regulation than most advocates of classical liberalism would have approved of. There are also differences in how extended "individual liberties" should be--but the differences there are situational and cultural, not philosophical.

What makes some states more liberal and others more conservative?

Culture. The rural states tend to be conservative because the people there are more self-reliant, stoic and austere.

States with a larger urban population are more socialist, not liberal. Socialists have fraudulently taken the label "liberal" when liberalism is actually antithetical to their policies; but they prefer that label to theirs. Most people today say, think, and believe whatever they like, regardless of any truth to it.

Jefferson futilely warned that bringing heavy industry here would bring hordes of people conditioned to taking direction and dependent on someone else for a wage. That's what we have now and those are inclined to socialism.

Liberalism advocates: individual freedom, weak government, and free markets. Conservatism advocates: moral responsibility, strong government, and protected markets. Socialism advocates: social responsibility, omnipotent government, and controlled markets.

What states do you go through driving to california from michigan?

If you take l-80 its Nevada Utah Wyoming Colorado Nebraska Iowa Illinois Indiana
another way could involve different states depending which way you take

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