Why are so many men going to MGTOW today after being rejected by women all the time?
I think that there are a lot of reasons. It is going to take a significant discussion before we really understand what is going on here. There is a lot that people do not feel comfortable talking about. Much of what is going on is probably unconscious and probably involves feelings that neither men nor women are fully aware of.I can only guess at what I suspect is going on.I think that people aren’t nearly as rational as the veneer of common sense and fairness that we pretend we are operating under. We are told how to behave, but then see that people don’t like us and don’t respect us if we behave that way.How men are supposed to behave towards women is fundamentally inconsistent with how men are supposed to behave towards women. Pretty much whatever we do will be wrong and will be misinterpreted or criticized.We are told to treat women as equals. But then if we do we get friend zoned or more often straight out ignored. We see that most smart well educated attractive women do not date the men who treat them as equals. Men are expected to be the aggressor in things like asking women out on a date. However, if you ask someone out on a date when they don’t want you do, then you are a predator and can get into trouble. Men are expected to pay when couples go out on dates. This doesn’t seem very equal to me.If a man is accused of sexual harassment, then he is guilty. No evidence is needed.Men have no control at all over reproduction. If you have sex and the woman gets pregnant, it doesn’t matter if she said she was on birth control. You are stuck.Marriage has become economically a very bad deal for men.For some, it just isn’t worth it anymore. For others, they just want women to speak up if they are interested and stop playing games. Reading minds has never been most men’s strength. I think that for many men “MGTOW” doesn’t really mean “Men going their own way”, it means “Men hoping that eventually some women will treat then in a way that is fair and comprehensible, until then they are afraid to do anything”.In spite of this, I do see some very good couples who are getting along just fine.
Why don't MGTOW reject all personal relationships with women?
seems that you are interpretting a philosophy you don't agree with. to me all mgtow means is that i won't 'settle' on any relationships - especially any marriage related ones. due to the state of dating and relationships, this most likely means i will never marry - and i'm fine with that. that's all mgtow means - i will be alone and be fine with that. it doesn't mean i don't date...
Can You blame some western Men the (MGTOW) for giving up on Modern Western women ?
Rationally, no you can't. Anyone who does is basing it on their feelings or something else that doesn't have to be rational. Foreign women are only an alternative as long as you live in a foreign society. Foreign women become western women extremely quickly if you bring them to the west. Don't fool yourself and think they are different than any other women. They are only living under a different system where they can't take what they want from men by force or fraud, so they have to earn what they want....THERE (not here). Bring them here and that is no longer true, and she will act accordingly. ADD Well, I have only known 2 personally that have married foreign wives and brought them back to the US. One was from Japan, the other from the Philippines. Both divorced their husbands, got the house, the kids, child support, and one got alimony for life (married more than 10 years). So, my experience is 100% failure....and there wasn't a single thing they did differently than a western girl wouldn't have done. So, if you are basing your position on your opinion of the women in another culture, you better double check the numbers showing what the women from those cultures do in the US. Because it is the same or worst than other western women.
Why women hate MGTOW?
If women control men through sex and attraction then it could be said that men control women through access to resources. When women didn't work men controlled women by controlling the purse strings. Now women have jobs so men can't put money over women's heads. And society doesn't accept and allow violence so men don't really have control over women in modern society. Women are free to do whatever they want. Women of course still use their looks and appearance to attract and manipulate men and society doesn't see this as against the law. It's just a harmless lie right? But men are waking up to this and realizing we don't have power in relationships and our dealings with women so why bother if all we do is give and all women do is take. And why are many women in the western world unsatisfied what we men do every single time? If we reject a woman, her friends would also take it personally and attack the man. You know that if we go our own ways in life, you are no value to us. Of course, that is a threat to women.
Will MGTOW movement make more good men reject women?
My brother having a good higher education, a car, high paying job and his own house. As I know my brother never having a girlfriend, today I tried to propose him my best female friend who having almost same education and she is a lot pretty too. But my bother told me he is not ready for it. So I thought so be it, but once I talked with him more about his idea of marriage and girlfriend, he told me he is MGTOW. I dont see any problem for him to have a girlfriend or wife, but that MGTOW movement made him be single forever.
What is one reason for a man to not go MGTOW, given the current feminist movement that puts so much pressure on men, calling masculinity toxic, having incredibly biased court systems and treating all men as vile rapists?
This is one of those questions where there are assumptions in them, and the question is only answerable if all of the assumptions were true.So, let’s see if they are, shall we?The current feminist movement puts much pressure on men?How so? This might be anecdotal evidence and from a different country than yours, but I’m a man and I’ve never once in my life felt much pressure from feminist movements put on me.My masculinity has never been called toxic by anyone.I have never been treated as a vile rapist.That said, there is something feminists call “toxic masculinity”, and it’s not about calling masculinity toxic, but about a specific flavor of masculinity, which is toxic - to men. This refers to ingrained cultural stigma for victimized men and those who would not comply with “tough as nails” standards for manly manlyness of manlynessness.It’s not telling genuinely tough as nails manly men that their masculinity is toxic, just the expectation of all men to adhere to that ideal and beating themselves up over it, neglecting their emotional health in the process - that’s toxic. And it’s being referred to as “toxic masculinity” for that reason. Arguably, the word choice leaves something to be desired and people just like the OP, and sadly some self-proclaimed feminist spokespeople, may get it the wrong way.Whether courts are indeed inherently and systematically biased against men is controversial, there’s certainly some evidence to show this to be likely and I wouldn’t go out on a limb here to say it’s not a thing. That alone however would be very poor reasoning to “go your own way” as advocated by MGTOW.
Does the MGTOW movement hate women?
Hate is the other half of the love vs hate dichotomy. MGTOW is not an either or Internet phenomenon but rather a transcendent one. From past personal and indirect experiences of men being treated, in a manner they deem unfair, by women, MGTOW was born. The MGTOW movement does not hate women because if it does it would result in a boycott and refusal, by men, to participate in activities and social engagements that involve or have women at the helm. This is not the case. MGTOWs enjoy the company of women as long as they understand the philosophy of MGTOW. So in other words, a woman should be certain that a man is a MGTOW if he doesn't fall prey to the ‘provider’ category that most women like to cage men in and beautify the term and process by calling it ‘domesticating and civilizing him’. MGTOW is not MRA (Men’s Rights Activists) as it is not a counter to feminism. It is rather a deviation(Hence GOING OUR OWN WAY) from societal norms imposed by feminism. Our mothers initially call us selfish because they know that it will result in men doing things on their own and history has taught us that Alexander the Great and Attila the Hun didn't exactly need women to end up in our history textbooks and a plethora of other key figures from the past.MGTOW is also not advocating for previously perceived traditional gender roles but rather an appreciation and acknowledgement that men and women are different. That’s why they aren't the same. We live in a world that embraces duality. MGTOW absolutely despises unilateralism. The earth is too big for either men or women to be controlled by one single ideology, currency, faith/deity and business model. The overarching theme should most agreeably be multilateralism.Bottom line is - We don’t hate you, we just won’t be controlled by you nor your emotional manipulation in matters that need cognitive solutions. In fact, we love you!
Are men going Mgtow?
A growing number of men discover going MGTOW opens a previously unknown way of living with results surprisingly favorable than the alternative. At present, the conformity thinking suggests a world or lifestyle devoid of conventional interactions with western women as so wholly undesirable, that men in general are willing to tolerate current feminist oriented structural abuses which become norms within mainstream society, of which when practiced, provide men to accept rational values with western women on zero sum principles. To avoid realizing this principle men psychologically enter into sometimes decades long self deceptions from which he rationalizes the zero sum principles favored by feminists and western women in general, as a necessary price to pay to avoid being alone, abandoned, rejected or deemed unacceptable. Some of the self deceptions involve existing in a mental state of which he is socialized to believe his state of moral and ethical status depends upon the degree he devalues his life proportionate to the value and worth of women. For instance, a modern western man’s “goodness” is measured by how willing he is to self-sacrifice, for the benefit of western woman, while consciously expecting any proportionate reciprocation. The entitlement mentality of western women in general is the feminist inspired practice of not only non-equitable reciprocation towards men, but to hold men as obligated to exist and practice upholding women in the form of unquestioned and unexamined hyper-deference. Thus, among men respect must be earned, while women are simply afforded respect without condition, standard or merit.Failure of some men to submit to these standards results with various threats of social ostracization and excommunication, rejection from women and a kind of existence in forms of unappealing loneliness. Within the context of self-deceptions, most men would rather live as a metaphorical slave on a metaphorical plantation than face the featureless geography external to plantation servitude. Yet what if that existence external to the plantation was actually better? MGTOW often provide examples of ways to live beneficial to male sense of value and worth no longer requiring validation from women, with conditions no longer affixed to zero sum principles.