Are suicidal thoughts just rational and not irrational thoughts?
I've had them for several years now and I've only acted on them twice and I was wondering if having these thoughts of ending ones life is just normal, I don't see why so many doctors and people who work in the mental field see suicide as something irrational and not a rational way of dealing with things Because first of all there are many several reasons why someone would want to end it all mostly Economic problems within a persons life could lead them to end it all In my thought process I was thinking that if I was going to go without money and lose everything I had in a economic sense that it would be better just to end it all instead of being some homeless person. These thoughts if ended my own life comes and goes and I feel as if it is a rational thought process to very complexted issues in my life so far. What do you think?
Can anxiety attacks lead to suicide thoughts?
I usually have anxiety all the time. Anxiety attacks are rare but EXTREME, last for days. I can feel one slowly building up.. and I am afraid of what I might do -They make me feel guilty -Sometimes getting myself to throw up makes me feel better -One time i was just sitting down scratching at my wrists I've got this massive plot in my head of how i can hurt myself but not die but maybe get the attention and help that i need. I've tried to tell my parents that i have anxiety issues but they don't understand and don't get it. I'll tell you the plot if you ask...
Suicidal thoughts from embarrassment?
Hi um i just wanted to address a problem i have when i get embarrassed n see if its rational or a REAL problem. So I'm easily embarrassed like half of the nation lol but when i think back to embarrassing situations whether it's from 2nd grade or two days ago i get a split second suicidal thought. Like (shoot me, shoot me) or (kill me) or even (brake my leg). Sometimes i say them out loud if i think about the situation to much. I've done it since 7 all the way to 15 (my age now). I don't get depressed over these quick thoughts, i actually feel relieved. At some points though if i think about something too embarrassing i really do consider suicide, but never in a depressed state. I really want your opinions please.
I really want to get help for my suicidal thoughts, but I'm afraid my parents are going to get angry at me for it, what should I do?
If you’re a minor, and you’re going to get significant help, your parents are going to have to be involved one way or another.In your situation, I would go to your parents and tell them you think you’re depressed. At the very least, tell them that you need help coping with the pressures of being whatever age you are.Teens these days have it rough. Being a teenager was always hard, but I feel like it keeps getting harder and harder. Expectations are high, and it is getting harder and harder to choose a path that will get you through life successfully. Anyone young could be stressed enough to benefit from what a therapist would teach.I don’t know if those factors are influencing you, but it’s important that your parents understand that therapy, and even medication (if it’s needed) are something even normal people need to get through rough times.You don’t want your parents to presume you’re catastrophizing, which they likely will if you fess up to suicidal thoughts.But you should feel able to confess much of what is causing you to consider suicide, and say something like, “I don’t think I can handle all this without getting help. If I see a therapist, they can teach me coping skills and techniques to help me manage my life better. I need that right now.”How much you share is up to you, but being calm and rational is the way to be taken seriously.Good luck to you.
Thoughts of suicide without feeling sad?
So, I'll admit, I do have a past of feeling depressed, and at one point or another, suicidal. However recently I've been feeling a lot better. In Fact, since September of last year, I havent felt any self hatred or grief, at all. However, even if I'm in a normal mood, whenever I'm just kindve sitting and thinking to myself, every now and then it happens with other people around, I start thinking about suicide. What it would feel like, how I'd do it, what it would look like, everything. But even then, I dont feel sad. I'm not suicidal, or anything like that, its just become a concern of mine. Once I even had a vivid dream of me taking my life by jumping off of a building. Is this more common than I think, and what are ways to potentially stop these thoughts? Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Do you think there is such a thing as rational depression, in that someone might seek death because it genuinely is their best option (chronic pain, unfulfillable goals, desires, seeking punishment for bad acts, etc.)?
Depression is never rational. Depression has a way of overcoming rational thought, which is why nobody should ever act based on their depression or during a depressive cycle. Deciding to exit this life is a particularly bad decision to make when depressed.However, I do believe that someone can make a rational decision about ending their own life. Assuming their quality of life is agonizing (physically or mentally) and there is virtually no chance that it will ever change, deciding to self-euthanize can be a reasonable option. I support the right of individuals who are suffering to make that decision for themselves when the decision is made rationally.I would stress, however, that that decision should never be made from a place of depression and should be validated by someone other than the person considering suicide; preferably a doctor or therapist. Breakthroughs in medical science should also be considered. Pain management, disease treatments and mental health therapies are getting better all the time, so that needs to be considered.The thing to remember is that what is happening in your life now is almost never going to continue for the rest of your life. People change. Situations change. Environments change. Feelings change. Technology changes. What is true today is not always true tomorrow. Unless you are 100% sure that your particular situation can never improve, I don’t think suicide should even be considered as an option.
People who have suicidal thoughts or complete suicide are often said to “not be thinking clearly.” Are there any rational or other logical reasons to attempt suicide?
Depends on where you stand idealogically speaking. It’s a subject that has been discussed by philosophers from antiquity until the present day.To surmise: in most religions suicide is explicitly rejected in advance according to doctrine, and the rationality of such an action may not even need to be discussed. Suicide is an affront to God.But if like me you are a materialist, and don't believe that suicide imperils the immortal soul, then you will probably be forced to admit that in certain circumstances suicide is both rational and logical. Those who support the right to die would argue that suicide is acceptable under certain circumstances, such as incurable disease and old age. I for one can easily imagine other situations where suicide is not only acceptable, but could also be a perfectly logical and rational response.In all cases, the old adage of “Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem” has always seemed to me to be an illogical response to the question. Incurable disease or lifelong mental illness are the most obvious counter-arguments; to me suicide should also be judged a rational response that can be taken when the alternative is considered worse.
Do SSRIs fundamentally make someone more rational?
Fundamentally? No.Depression can involve irrational thinking, and being drugged out of your gourd can also involve irrational thinking. Also, the majority of antidepressants are taken for non-depressive symptoms, and many or most of those drugs used to treat people that are not depressed are used to treat people with no diagnosed mental illness whatsoever.While psychotropic substances, like pharmaceutical antidepressants, cannabis, psilocybin, and caffeine can sharpen your mind or bring ideas into more rational focus, there is no fundamental outcome of greater rationality. There is significant variety in how people react to such drugs, and people do not necessarily react in the same way to one dose as they do to 6 straight months of daily doses, or the same way to a minimal dose as compared to a higher one.It should also be mentioned that SSRIs can cause a significant irrationality in patients. Antidepressants like SSRIs have potential side effects like depression, mania, psychosis, anxiety, suicidal thoughts and behaviors, homicidal thoughts and behaviors, rage, insomnia, depersonalization, derealization, hallucinations, movement disorders, and other conditions that can directly involve or contribute to irrational thinking and perceiving.Side effects like reduced libido, anhedonia, sedation, lethargy, reduced emotional responsiveness, and other possible outcomes of SSRI treatment can simplify one's view of life and lead to thinking or behavior that is more predictable, less complex, and less subject to whim, whimsy, or emotional influence. Whether that qualifies as increased rationality or just decreased investment in some of our most basic human drives and experiences is up for debate.